Vaccines~ Good? Bad? or Too Many
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Permalink Reply by Barbara Majeski on -
When any question is asked about vaccines reactions, we are addressing long term effects. Aren't we?
Thanks for the CHOP link addressing questions. Most informative.
Dr. Offit believes it is OK to vaccinate a sick child because of the science behind an immunization shot. Most interesting.
Carolyn Hastings said:Barbara Majeski said:
Dendrites aren't exactly defense; they are more like spies who inform the cells that make the defense. But they are in the blood as well, anyway.Sorry it looks like you have misunderstood me. No, not a bug bite. An injection. A vaccine injection. A direct injection,bypassing the GI and mucosa dendrites that are our first line of defense against a virus.
Other types of white blood cells are the defense, and directly attack intruders. Eosinophils, neutrophils, monocytes, etc. Again, I provided a link about different white blood cell types, and I did say that my explanation was simplified.
The reason we talk about dendrites is, those are the target of the vaccines. If an injection of antigens wasn't going to reach any dendritic cells, why would we give vaccines that way instead of a pill? That would be totally ineffective.
My husband had a book growing up that explained the immune system as a castle. The castle had footmen (red blood cells) and knights (white blood cells) to fight against invaders (icky green monsters). Some of the knights captured the green things and interrogated them, and showed other knights how to identify them. That's a pretty good allegory for the dendritic cells - they are knights, but only one type of knight.
So, according to CHOP there are no long term side effects from vaccines?
I don't see that anywhere on the CHOP site. Where did you see that claim?
To answer your question, I'm not a scientist but I am educated.
Thanks.
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Permalink Reply by Willowbottom on -
This is amazingly sad.
For my first son, he was at home between his dad, me, and a nanny, until he was about nine months so we opted for no immunizations.
At nine months when he went into day care, we opted for polio, whooping cough.
For my second son, we followed something similar but even though I specifically requested no Hepatitis B, no influenza shot, no chicken pox (aurally and with a written statement), they were administered anyway. He's fine but my rage was considerable.
Kids are now just over 2 and 4 and are normal and healthy. They'll never have had all of the immunizations a "normal" kid will have had due to their delayed immunization schedule, and I will fight chicken pox and Hep B as long as I can against the state (which of course knows best how to parent my children). Why these two? Because chicken pox is a nuisance disease (and they can get immunized as an adult like I did) and Hep B is primarily transmitted via sexual contact and IV drug use. Tell me...why would my 2 and 4 year olds be at risk for that? Ultimately, they're unnecessary immunizations at this stage in their lives so why flood their system with it? I didn't go into this without considerable thought and I knew the risk of them getting ill from an immunization was small...but so is the risk of them getting these diseases, particularly if all the other people are getting their kids immunized.
I'm off my soapbox now...but thanks for sharing. :)
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Permalink Reply by Barbara Majeski on
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Your kids are so blessed! I share the same thoughts about the flu, chx pox and Hep B. Thanks for sharing!
Willowbottom said:This is amazingly sad.
For my first son, he was at home between his dad, me, and a nanny, until he was about nine months so we opted for no immunizations.
At nine months when he went into day care, we opted for polio, whooping cough.
For my second son, we followed something similar but even though I specifically requested no Hepatitis B, no influenza shot, no chicken pox (aurally and with a written statement), they were administered anyway. He's fine but my rage was considerable.
Kids are now just over 2 and 4 and are normal and healthy. They'll never have had all of the immunizations a "normal" kid will have had due to their delayed immunization schedule, and I will fight chicken pox and Hep B as long as I can against the state (which of course knows best how to parent my children). Why these two? Because chicken pox is a nuisance disease (and they can get immunized as an adult like I did) and Hep B is primarily transmitted via sexual contact and IV drug use. Tell me...why would my 2 and 4 year olds be at risk for that? Ultimately, they're unnecessary immunizations at this stage in their lives so why flood their system with it? I didn't go into this without considerable thought and I knew the risk of them getting ill from an immunization was small...but so is the risk of them getting these diseases, particularly if all the other people are getting their kids immunized.
I'm off my soapbox now...but thanks for sharing. :)
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Permalink Reply by Sonja on -
Hi all,
I live in the Netherlands where we have a national vaccination programm. I think more than 90% of the new born children follow this programm. I could only find a summary in english (the site itself is in dutch): http://www.rivm.nl/bibliotheek/rapporten/210021002.html
In my opinion, I do not have negative experiences with the vaccination programm. In the past 2 years, they added 2 vaccinations.
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Permalink Reply by Barbara Majeski on
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You are fortunate to live in the Netherlands. Hepatitis B is only administered to infants that have Hepatitis B positive moms. Here in the US we vaccinate every newborn regardless of the fact it is a disease contracted via needles and sexual contact.
If someone can tell me how this is in the best interest of a newborn and/toddler.
Sonja said:Hi all,
I live in the Netherlands where we have a national vaccination programm. I think more than 90% of the new born children follow this programm. I could only find a summary in english (the site itself is in dutch): http://www.rivm.nl/bibliotheek/rapporten/210021002.html In my opinion, I do not have negative experiences with the vaccination programm. In the past 2 years, they added 2 vaccinations.
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Permalink Reply by Gilles on -
Right from the start Pasteur had a pretty controversial history, "Pasteur, ambitious man, opportunistic, a genius at self-promotion, plagiarized then vulgarized Béchamp's work."
( http://www.amazon.com/Bechamp-Pasteur-Chapter-History-Biology/dp/15... )
vaccines even didn't even worked and their development and adoption were purely economic.
can you imagine what a panacea vaccine are : a way to control of individual and collective health,
we have become dependent consumers, always 'wanting more', manufacturers have well understood this dependency.
now the question of Vaccination of your child ?
here is my opinion :
vaccine generally tend to weaken the immune system, so I would recommend the bare minimum
moreover most of the disease today are curable if properly diagnosed,
there are so many unknown side effects of vaccination that I would not risk my child health
I had a friend who got Polio from the vaccine.
so the principle I am trying to follow is to keep my child immune system as pristine as possible.
and sure as a parent we know when we have to have the science intervene for live threatening situation
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Permalink Reply by Jennifer Colgan on -
Vaccinations will always be a hot topic between moms, I think. We all want the best for our kids, and try to make the best, most informed decisions.
Both my kids have been vaccinated according to the schedule our doctor has. Neither has had adverse reactions. I was concerned about the MMR shot with my first daughter, so I did a lot of reading and spoke with our doctor several times. In the end, I felt it was best for her to get it.
I would be devastated if I didn't get my kids vaccinated and they contracted one of these diseases. I feel the minute risks are well worth the protection. I've read about all the diseases these vaccines protect against, and most of them have very serious consequences.
And while I understand moms who are concerned about the risks of vaccination, I also get a bit upset when I hear about moms who don't vaccinate. Not only are you leaving your child unprotected, you also increase the risk of MY child getting the disease. Vaccines, while highly effective are not 100% protection, and the more kids that are unvaccinated, the greater the chance of a disease such as whooping cough or polio coming back, and the greater the risk of one of my kids being exposed. This is why vaccines are mandatory, and I think rightly so.
You can be certain that it is the vaccinations that erradicated these terrible diseases. My mom's friend had polio when she was a child - she walks with a limp and had all sorts of serious problems. She is a constant reminder that I'm doing the right thing by vaccinating my children.
Education is the best way to make up your own mind. I've done a lot of research and reading to come to my decisions.
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Permalink Reply by Barbara Majeski on
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1. How do you think an unvaccinated child puts your child at risk?
2. Risk of bringing back deadly disease? Hepatitis B? or the Flu?
3. Do you believe there if there is a possible flu pandemic that the flu vaccine pin pointed to correct virus to ensure your child doesn't contract that disease?
My thoughts, just because it doesn't happen to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
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Permalink Reply by Jennifer Colgan on
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1. How do you think an unvaccinated child puts your child at risk?
As I said in my post, if an unvaccinated child contracts a disease, they increase the risk it can spread, and my child can contract it as well. Like I said, no vaccine is 100% effective and if something like whooping cough starts to spread again (which it is), then my kids are at a greater risk of getting it as well.
2. Risk of bringing back deadly disease? Hepatitis B? or the Flu?
The flu can be fatal for infants and other people who have compromised immune systems - see here: http://www.marchofdimes.com/aboutus/681_18254.asp
As said before by another mom, Hep B can cause cancer later in life:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hepatitis-b/DS00398/DSECTION=compl...
3. Do you believe there if there is a possible flu pandemic that the flu vaccine pin pointed to correct virus to ensure your child doesn't contract that disease?
I'm not thinking of pandemics. I'm just thinking about the health and safety of my kids. I get a flu vaccine every year, as does my husband and my kids. If I can spare them 2 weeks of a miserable illness and the possible complications that it brings (pneumonia for one), then I'll do it.
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Permalink Reply by Gilles on
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An interesting article :
A Summary of the Proofs That Vaccination
Does Not Prevent Small-pox but Really
Increases It (S616: 1904)
http://www.wku.edu/~smithch/wallace/S616.htm
Hummie said:I'm glad my boys had the chicken pox right before the vaccine came out....I trust a good case of the pox as prevention more than a new vaccine.
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Permalink Reply by Gilles on
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Cure to Polio : massive doses of Vitamin C is known to cure polio (http://www.orthomed.com/polio.htm)
a side note: the vitamin C is the only vitamin you can abuse without danger (unless you are pregnant or have a iron overload / copper deficiency ) ... there is no overdose issues, the only thing you get when you reach your "personal" limit is diarrhea , actually this is a mean to measure your immune system strength: you progressively increase your Vitamin C intake until you get diarrhea ..
Diarrhea is also a sign that you are taking too much Vitamin C; however, doctors suggest using this sign to gauge your absolute maximum Vitamin C intake. Diarrhea resulting from excessive amounts of Vitamin C is considered just below potentially dangerous levels, and can actually result in certain health benefits such as a lowered risk of colon cancer.
The higher the dose is the more you need have been weakened/stressed ... some people go up to 6000mg !
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Permalink Reply by Rebecca on -
Connie
I haven't vaccinate my child and am fortunate enough to live in a country where I get the choice. I did NOT make this decision lightly and did a heck of a lot of research. In addition even if I did vaccinate I would have waited until he was 2 years old. Since that time I he has had tetnus.
This is such an emotionally charged topic, and it is rare that I tell people our choice because of the backlash that it evokes (my mother strongly disagreed with our decisions). However it is one I feel passionate about. The vaccine schedule here is incredible (22iish in 2 years) and I don't know how you can ask for a little babies immune system to cope with the onslaught that is delivered to its immune system in that time bypassing every natural defense the body has.
My biggest passion is regarding making an informed decision as I suspect that we are trading one lot of diseases in for another lot of ailments. Asthma, autism, learning disorders, peanut and nut allergies, ADD, is going through the roof, And whilst there is no scientific "proof" of any link there is also no scientific proof that it is not linked. And who is going to do the research because no one will make any money out of it. I sometimes wonder whether we have the biggest scientific experiment occurring as we speak and unfortunately in around 20 years we will have the answer.
I NEVER judge any one for their decision to vaccinate or not, but beg people to make the time to make it an informed decision, they are our kids.
Rebecca
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